Red Bull file papers to appeal Ricciardo disqualification

Daniel Ricciardo

Daniel Ricciardo

Formula 1 champions Red Bull have formally appealed against the disqualification of Australian Daniel Ricciardo from his home grand prix in Melbourne last weekend, the team said on Thursday.

A spokeswoman confirmed that the necessary documentation had been submitted.

Ricciardo finished second in the race, his debut for Red Bull after joining from Toro Rosso, which was won by Mercedes’ Nico Rosberg. He was then disqualified hours later for an illegal fuel flow rate.

Red Bull announced on Sunday already that they intended to appeal and had until Thursday to do so. No date has been set for any hearing, with Formula One teams soon heading for Malaysia for the second race of the season. (Reuters)

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  • Hugo Lafreniere

    They just don’t know when to keep quiet, do they?
    Amazing how they went from being the cool team to grade-A douches in just a few years time.
    Granted, success attracts jealousy, but their attitude and contempt really doesn’t help them.

  • KevinW

    5.1.4 Fuel mass flow must not exceed 100kg/h.
    5.10.3 Homologated sensors must be fitted which directly measure the pressure, the temperature and the flow of the fuel supplied to the injectors, these signals must be supplied to the FIA data logger.
    5.10.4 Only one homologated FIA fuel flow sensor may be fitted to the car which must be placed wholly within the fuel tank.

    The question: Is the regulation simply that the fuel mass flow must not exceed 100kg/h? or, is the rule that the one FIA homologated fuel flow sensor must not produce a reading indicating a mass flow exceeding 100kg/h? The FIA have taken the position that the reading from the one sensor not exceed 100kg/h, regardless if whether it can be shown that the actual fuel flow into the engine is within the 100kg/h. The exclusion is based on this, and the assertion that Red Bull failed to follow protocol in regard to use of methods for measuring fuel flow – not that the FIA can prove the actual flow exceeded 100kg/h – in fact they admit it could be that the data produces is in error, but state that does not matter. Red Bull believe that they comply with 5.1.4, using data from the ECU that is more accurate than the flow sensor provided by the FIA. The contention is, and has been observed by the other teams, that the one fuel flow sensor is not correlating with the data collected elsewhere that reflects more accurately the actual amount of fuel entering the engine. Just because the regulation states only one flow sensor be installed in the fuel tank, does not mean that this is the only way to determine accurately the fuel flow to the engine. Data collected from other allowed sensors in the system and controls that are active components in delivering fuel to the engine can also be used to determine accurate flow rates.

    Red Bull is only doing their job using the only path they have available, to appeal the decision. The result will be two fold. 1.) The FIA will have to issue a clarification, stating exactly, and without exception, where the flow data is to be collected from (since the rules are not actually clear on this), and a process in which teams can insure that data they are required to comply with is accurate (which they admit has not been the case to this point). and 2.) The issue with Ricciardo will be put to rest.

    Nothing wrong with that.

  • Severn

    “The FIA have taken the position that the reading from the one sensor not exceed 100kg/h”

    Even that’s not quite correct. The FIA have taken the position that the reading from the fuel flow sensor, after being adjusted with some fudge factor which is different for every single individual sensor, should not exceed 100kg/h.

    What data are they using to calculate that fudge factor? It can’t be the fuel flow sensor, obviously. I suspect it’s the teams own fuel flow numbers.

  • Severn

    “Granted, success attracts jealousy ..”

    I’d say you’ve gone well beyond mere jealousy and moved on to bitterness, hatred, and irrationality. All your comments are full of emotion and devoid of facts.

  • KevinW

    The calibration numbers were set using FIA testing of each unit prior to issuing them to the teams, not team data

  • Dave Bates

    , & the fall guys in this will be & the latter only existing since 2013. Eggs in baskets come to mind, & if not proven to be 100% accurate & reliable, then why would a sane person believe in the race result 100% ?

  • RBC

    People with technical knowledge on the matter have posed comments that the Other fuel flow measure, being the injector sensors for example, are both as unreliable as the single fuel flow sensor, and open to manipulation by the teams to produce results that are not consistent with the truth. Hence the introduction of the single sensor in the engine.

    I won’t go into the details but the issues are complex as to measuring average usage of fuel per second versus peak usage inside of a second etc. Therefore any team can “prove” they didn’t use over the maximum flow of 100kg/h when in fact they are. This is what Montezemolo hinted at. And this is WHY the FIA introduced the single sensor, as the only device that can be used to determine the fuel usage.

    If you think about it, why are Red Bull’s sensors right and the FIA’s sensors wrong? Who is to say which one is right? What if a Red Bull sensor was giving a false reading? How would they know? Red Bull have run out of fuel in the car for qualifying before. Does that mean they don’t understand their own fuel consumption? What makes them right and the FIA wrong?

  • RBC

    I agree with you.