Marko: Webber versus Vettel feud started at Fuji back in 2007 30 October, 2013 Mark Webber retires during the 2007 Japanese GP after being punted out by Sebastian Vettel Mark Webber’s bad relationship with his teammate Sebastian Vettel dates back six years according to Red Bull‘s Helmut Marko, who plays down suggestions that the Australian and Vettel only really fell out after the well-documented ‘Multi 21′ team orders saga in Malaysia earlier this year. Not so, Austrian Marko told the Swiss newspaper Blick, as “It goes back to Fuji 2007″. In the Japanese Grand Prix six years ago, Webber was running strongly for Red Bull when Vettel, a rookie racing for Toro Rosso, crashed into him whilst running behind the Safety Car. A furious Webber famously slammed “kids” who “f#ck it all up”. Sebastian Vettel versus Mark Webber before they collided during the 2007 Japanese GP “[Vettel] probably cost [Webber] his first victory,” said Marko. “Since then there was trouble.” After Vettel wrapped up his fourth title in India last weekend, Webber did not appear for the post-race team photo, in which Red Bull also celebrated its fourth consecutive Constructors’ Championship victory. “Well done to Seb on his championship,” Webber said in a post-race statement after retiring with alternator failure, “and also to all the team; to get a fourth title is amazing.” Prior to the Malaysian fall out, there was also a headline grabbing collision between the two while tussling for the lead of the 2010 Turkish GP. Many believe that it was also the time where the shift of power within the team went towards Vettel’s side of the garage. At the time, as has always been his custom, Marko backed Vettel , “Webber was slower and Vettel had immense pressure from Hamilton. Vettel was so much faster, he had to pass. If Webber and he had braked together, then Hamilton would have passed Vettel.” The relationship between Mark Webber and Sebastian Vettel hit an all time low after Malaysia When team boss Christian Horner sided with Vettel, it was apparent that the German had won the hearts and minds of the team. Initially, Christian Horner indicated that he was angry at both drivers, but eventually it was Webber who took the blame, “It looks as though he didn’t leave Sebastian enough space. It was very clear [that] [Vettel] was by his side and in front.” Many point to Webber’s bad luck, and apparently facing the brunt of the Red Bull technical hitches, to the team favouring Vettel over the years of their partnership. Since they were teammates, starting in 2008, Vettel has won 36 grands prix and claimed four world titles with Webber only managing nine wins and no world titles. (GMM) Subbed by AJN. 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Bob Wheeler “Webber was slower and Vettel had immense pressure from Hamilton. Vettel was so much faster, he had to pass. If Webber and he had braked together, then Hamilton would have passed Vettel.” “It looks as though he didn’t leave Sebastian enough space. It was very clear was by his side and in front.” So there are statements from the team principals. Stuff happens in racing. Look at Grosjean all last year. Compared to others, I’d say Vettel wasn’t nearly as bad. The article and the comment by Richard Piers seem to be red meat for the haters and not a serious evaluation of the dynamics between Webber and Vettel. GPFanatics Vettel deserves his titles but Marko need not put salt on Webber’s wounds. Silence will settle things by itself. But it seems Marko is still blowing air on the dying fire. Lol In 2019 Turkey, Webber was told that Vettel was faster and he had to save fuel (listen to the team radio before the overtake). In other words Webber got a teamorder and he did not obey while Vettel thought Webber would let him pass. So here another example how Webber ignored teamorders which then resulted in Vettel expecting him to obey the teamorder, and reacted accordingly but Webber did not obey so they crashed. But when Vettel ignored a teamorder once he was called unsporting and arrogant. Of course the British media and fans applauded Webber for again ignoring teamorders. ALL4IT Marko DON’T YOU JUST SHUT UP ALREADY! Boycotthehaters What a laughably biased article. Dishonest nonsense like this is why many ignorant fans dislike Vettel. If all I knew was the crud the F1 press fed me, I’d dislike him too. Take Fuji 2007. The stewards ruled that Hamilton and not Vettel was at fault for that crash, but somehow that information is completely missing here. “there was also a headline grabbing collision between the two while tussling for the lead of the 2010 Turkish GP. Many believe that it was also the time where the shift of power within the team went towards Vettel’s side of the garage” Right, it had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Vettel trounced Webber in 2009. In fact Vettel also trounced Webber in 2008 when he was driving the TR and Webber was with Red Bull. As I say, shamefully biased reporting. “Webber’s bad luck, and apparently facing the brunt of the Red Bull technical hitches” More dishonest reporting. Vettel has had as many technical problems over the last five years as Webber has. Boycotthehaters “When team boss Christian Horner sided with Vettel, it was apparent that the German had won the hearts and minds of the team.” Or maybe he sided with Vettel because Vettel was in the right? But that’s a thought which never even enters the minds of the Vettel hating British press. What’s going on? @Boycotthehaters “Vettel has had as many technical problems over the last five years as Webber has.” WTH are you saying man…. do you seriously watch F1 or not? Adriana @ Boycotthehaters IMO , I think you are wasting your time , people hate success and Sebastian Vettel is synonym of success , I’m Alonso’s fan ( and I’m sick of his whining and as.. kissing with the top caliber driver ) but C’mon whoever do not want to see that Vettel it is an amazing driver they are just blind , his haters ( most of them frustrated Hamilton and Alonso fans ) do not realize that the more pressure you put on Sebastian , the better results he gets ; instead of those who call themselves TOP CALIBER DRIVERS , the more pressure they get , the more they open their mouth to let the pressure go! Taskmaster I have to admit, Vettel’s first year in F1, into his second, made more than a few wonder if he was cut out for the big cars. He blew up a lot of stuff, crashed, and beached his car a frightening number of times. Even so, Weber could see the future written on the wall when Vettel finished just 0.4s off his tail in the USGP in only his first real drive, and was made even less happy when Vettel came within 2 points of him that year, then beat him in the WDC standings in 2008, in the STR, and continued to beat him every year since. Anyone watching F1 closely could see very early, even at the USGP, there was a determination (and a joy for driving) in that goofy looking kid. It’s been interesting to watch him develop from a boy with 9 of 12 DNFs by collision/accident through 2009, to a champion with just 1 of 6 retirements from 2010 (0 from 2011 on) date due to collision. The change in his maturity as a driver while maintaining the determination and focus, along with the growth of Red Bull as a team, has been one of the highlights of the sport over the last 6 years. Anyone who ignores this, is denying themselves part of the story of the sport. You don’t have to be a fan, just set the visceral hatred aside long enough to enjoy the growth of a driver and a team from nothing to what they are, in just a few short seasons – against some of the greatest teams and drivers to ever grace the sport, with increasing regulatory restrictions and rules changes designed to slow them (and others) down. Hawk @Adriana Stop pretending that you are Alonso fan. You hate both Alonso and Hamilton and yet you keep on lamenting about Vettel haters. It is alright if a fan laments about haters if they do not hate other drivers but not the other way round. Boycotthehaters “WTH are you saying man…. do you seriously watch F1 or not?” I’m saying that Vettel has had as many technical problems as Webber over the last five years. That’s simply a fact, like “Mt Everest is the highest mountain in the world” is a fact. Boycottthebull This is another Marko wind up to publicly slam Webber and worship his finger boy. Lets not take the bait. 9df ‘Boycotthehaters’ is correct. Vettel has had just as many tech problems as Webber has. Its impossible to argue that, as is stated; its a fact. I would have thought the Webber/Vettel problems started in Turkey 2010, with Silverstone wing swap pretty much cementing it. haha That was Hamilton’s fault, he was verry close to the safety car and braked verry sudden in a weird fashion. Visibility was a bitch too. Mark is a bit sour he wasn’t the first winner for the team I guess. But let’s not forget David, Mark and Newey (+ the team behind him) contributed more in the evolution of the team than they get credit for. But Vettel does aknowledge this, so I guess he has an OK personality. Mark is getting older and grumpier which doesn’t help too. Adriana @ hawk , look I borned 50 k from Oviedo the city of Alonso birthday and I saw his development to a great racing driver and also saw the way he was and also saw the way he was treated at McLaren and how bad the react with trying to blackmail Ron Denise, but I’m not blind to see that: a) Vettel is a great driver b) Alonso is a great driver too c ) Hamilton is just an arrogant that thinks deserve all the best, and in his very distorted world believes to be the best. If you believe that I’m wrong for being Alonso’s fan and recognize Vettel’s achievements , are the best so far, that is your opinion and I respect it ; even so I enjoy the achievements of Alonso and Vettel. And let me tell you something more, Formula 1 is about to be as perfect as possible in everything and RBR is in F1 the closer to do that , more than any other team or driver , and as a big fan of F1 , I appreciate it that . Ukwhite @taskmaster: Pro postings, good work, you really like F1 @Boycotthehaters is correct, car failures balance does not favour Seb. I blame Webber and dislike him sometime, but Aussies are awesome, so I am ok with his tough stance. It is melting a bit lately. @Adriana: Nice… haha Turkey was Vettel’s fault, as Richard Piers points out. The one overtaking has the responsibility. Also stupid penalties for overtaking like Grosjeans fantastic move in Budapest should be reconsidered, if you put huge runoff areas everywhere where’s the challenge? For Webber I think karma will turn around in his favour as I see Porsche winning Le Mans before 2016/2017. Hopefully it will be with his crew then. bdah3056 That photo of the Red Bull and Toro Rosso side by side is very interesting. Apart from the different paint schemes, the cars look identical in every other respect. I know the STR had a Ferrari engine, but you can tell they are basically the same car. Here is a reason why the STR was so competitive during that time. Ukwhite Waste of time convincing Vettel’s haters. More envy in fact, Alonso’s bad blood type fans. fools Alonso is the best. Patricio Ibanez @boycottheheaters: u r right, very close numbers of issues. Here’s the tally…. Resumen 2009-2013: Sebastian Vettel: 40 issues (33 mechanical issues, 3 team order, 2 team-mate clashes, 2 significant pit stop issue), 8 leading to a DNF Mark Webber: 46 issues (34 mechanical issues, 3 team orders, 2 team-mate clashes, 7 significant pit stop issues), 4 leading to a DNF I_Hate_Alonso I hate Alonso. He is so ugly with his big square head which houses his retarded brain which sits atop of his spasmodic body which is unable to drive an f1 car quickly. GreatOne Well there is one clear winner and it isn’t a cry baby Aussie. ZombieJebus 2007… that was when Webber was doping with Armstrong, right?