Alonso: We will see how good Vettel really is later in his career 10 October, 2013 Sebastian Vettel with Fernando Alonso Speaking ahead of the Japanese GP weekend Fernando Alonso said that Sebastian Vettel’s superior Red Bull RB 9 is a major factor in his dominance of Formula 1, insisting that it is too early to judge the German who is nearing his fourth successive World title. Should Vettel take the chequered flag at Suzuka on Sunday, and Alonso fail to steer his Ferrari into the top eight, he will join Juan Manuel Fangio and Michael Schumacher as only the third driver to win four in a row. “Sebastian’s been dominating the last couple of years,” two time World Champion Alonso told reporters. “He’s a fantastic driver and has a fantastic car. “He’s been close to perfection all these years, winning [three] championships. It’s true he has an advantage in car performance for this year so we’ll see how good he is later in his career. “We also saw [Lewis] Hamilton almost winning the championship in his first year, win it in his second year and then he didn’t win any more because sometimes you have the car to win, sometimes not,” Alonso added, pointing to his Mercedes rival, with whom he shared a prickly relationship as McLaren teammate in 2007. Fernando Alonso and Sebastian Vettel on the podium in Singapore “At the moment, Sebastian is better than anyone and he’s winning all the championships. At the moment, Red Bull-Vettel are a very good combination and too good for us.” Alonso admitted that he had no hope of catching Vettel this season after the Red Bull stormed to a fourth victory in a row in South Korea last weekend, carving open a 77-point lead with just 125 up for grabs from the last five races. “If I had five races to win the Championship and I had won the last four grands prix with big margins I would not be too worried,” smiled the Spaniard, champion with Renault in 2005 and 2006. “The Drivers’ Championship is almost impossible. “[Red Bull] works better than the others – there’s nothing more to explain. We are here to race. We were quite competitive the first part of the year. We won two grands prix of the first five and then we started producing new parts of the car which were not working so [well]. Fernando Alonso versus Sebastian Vettel in Shanghai “At the same time Red Bull were working maybe better than us and they have a big advantage now. It’s the only explanation we can find. They progressed a lot during the Championship and we didn’t.” Alonso will be joined at Ferrari in 2014 by ‘flying Finn’ Kimi Raikkonen, returning to the team where he won the 2007 title, and he voiced hope the dream line-up could break Red Bull’s vice-like grip on F1 – if improvements are made. “For next year with Kimi I think we can have a very good championship for Ferrari,” he said. “If we have a competitive car we will do very good things. If we don’t have a competitive car it will be very similar to this season I think. “Fighting for second in the World Championships is obviously not a happy goal but there are another 22 drivers worse off. “In the remaining races it’s important we try to score as many points as possible. We’ll try to attack all the time and fight for second in the Constructor’s Championship. “There are very few points between us (284) and Mercedes (283) so we need to keep improving.” (AFP) Subbed by AJN. Tweet Related NewsVettel: Newey said no to me testing for Ferrari in Abu DhabiMarko: Legally it’s not ok that Vettel is already with FerrariRed Bull play hardball block Vettel’s Ferrari testRed Bull marginalise Vettel ahead of his departureMarko predicts Alonso is heading back to McLarenThumbs up for Vettel to Ferrari from F1 paddockVettel replaces Alonso as Kvyat is promotedSilly Season: Alonso and Vettel future uncertainWebber thinks Vettel lacks feeling for carMarko: Mr Vettel is one of our most expensive items Joe Kinnear What a dumb statement by Fernando. I’m not a fan of Sebs but: 1) Sebs is just making the most out of his superior car. He’d be a complete moron if he didn’t win with the superior equipment given by Newey. 2) Isn’t it obvious you need a good car to win? I mean, how could you win in a crappy car? Even Kimi once said you can’t win in a sh1t car. 2) Lewis almost won it in his rookie year.. but he too was considered lucky coz he went straight to Mclaren. Which other driver went straight to a good team entering F1? 3) Wasn’t Fernando also lucky when he won the titles in ’05 and ’06? Ferrari as we remember couldn’t cope with the no-tire-changing regulations. Schumi was fast in it, but he needed the tires to do so. Only Renault was kind on its tires and reasonably fast at the same time. If anyone doesn’t like Sebs thats fine. But there’s no need to make silly statements that eventually go against yourself. sebolonso Samurai is on spot here. Vettel will join the reds 2015 and prove his worth alongside Kimi. Simultaneously samurai…after being used as red carpet at Kimi’s wdc -party…collects his toys and starts his bicycle tour from Maranello to Oviedo. Samurai fairy tails seldom ends happily:). Boycotthehaters I’ve been following F1 for decades and have seen a lot of great cars, and I’ve never heard such whinging as I’m hearing at present over the RB cars. They’re not THAT great. “We also saw Hamilton almost winning the championship in his first year, win it in his second year and then he didn’t win any more because sometimes you have the car to win, sometimes not” Yes, but in spite of the fact that Hamilton has never even been runner-up in the last five years, he’s still regarded as a top driver. Alonso won his own titles in the best car at the time. TexasRoadhouse Alonso is quite correct in what he says – and it isn’t sour grapes. A driver is ultimately judged on his achievements when the circumstances are not in his favour – such as Schumacher in the rain, or even Alonso himself when at Minardi. So if Vettel is ever in a car that is not the class of the field, and still performs at his present level, then that reservation will be firmly put to bed. Until then, like it or not, there will always be the feeling in the background that it’s the car as much as the driver. lawl Well we have seen how good Alonso is. He had the best car and he won. Fair. He is in a Ferrari now, hasn’t done anything. So his comment goes for Vettel and also for himself. sebolonso Samurai is claiming Vettel isn´t proven, before he drives for another team. Same thing goes for samurai. He will be proven as the one he think he is, if he can beat Kimi fair&square 2014. This samurai nonsense btw, is some kind of reserve plan to soften up decision makers at Honda in case samurai has to switch from one team to another. Samurai is scared:). Alonso_is_Slow Alonso is a bastard. He has delivered nothing since 2005-2006 when he won both titles with the opponent car breaking down or having severe technical issues, wrong tyres, etc. He has never won against an equal opponent. Never won against a superior car. So what has he proven? He has only proven, that he can do nothing with a car which is not the fastest. He has proven that he cannot repeat the succes of Schumi who did beat superior cars. Loser! Henson @lawl Hasn’t done anything? How about winning several races each year, and fighting or the championsip until the last race in a dog of a car? Almost as good as your boyfriend. Sean Right, first things first, I’m not a fan of Vettel. It’s not that I don’t like him, because I do and I can appreciate a good driver, Lewis would be another example. That said, I think it’s important to remind those that talk about Seb having to prove himself in an uncompetitive car of his days at Sauber, BMW and then Torro Rosso. In 2007 Torro Rosso were averaging around 15th – or there about’s, and Vettel in his first few races finished as high as 5th! … Let’s also not forget Monza in 08! I could go on … So, to remind you, I’m not. Vettel fan, but I love F1 and I can’t abide I’ll informed fans who concentrate ONLY on the news items that are current in the forums. I also despised Alonso back on 05/06 as a die hard Schumacher fan! … although that quickly changed to hard earned respect when he took on my hero at the height of his dominance, and beat him …. TWICE! … and remains the only driver to have done so. In summary, Vettel is better than what some fans would give him credit for, although I remain unconvinced that he’s worthy of the status that triple WDC, never mind quadruple, in a row bestows upon him. But I am open to being convinced, so I agree wholeheartedly with Alonso’s comment, which has been taken completely out of context in this report! Boycotthehaters ” Alonso himself when at Minardi. So if Vettel is ever in a car that is not the class of the field, and still performs at his present level …” That’s absurd. Alonso dd not perform at his present level at Minardi. In fact he was beaten by his (rather poor) teammate while at Minardi and failed to score a single point. To say that Vettel has to win a WDC or even win races in a Caterham to show his worth is ridiculous. He’s already shown his worth in not-the-class-of-the-field cars. First at TR, then in early 2009 when he was the only driver to beat the EBD equipped Brawns in a non-EBD car. Boycotthehaters “like it or not, there will always be the feeling in the background that it’s the car as much as the driver.” I don’t know, it seems like the only people who have this particular feeling are some malcontents on internet forums. Everybody in F1 acknowledges vettel’s ability, with the partial exception of his rivals who have a vested interest in not being honest on this topic. Vettel has proved himself as much as any other champion has, and a good deal more than certain WDC holders I can think of. Red Bull Cheats Loads of people in the press write articles about how Vettel has not proven himself as a great driver because of the dominance of his car. That is why it is always being discussed. They are not his rivals, they are independent press people. Boycotthehaters “Loads of people in the press write articles about how Vettel has not proven himself as a great driver because of the dominance of his car.” No they don’t. That’s just another one of your lies. Taskmaster Again, the fallacy engine at full throttle from the cheater conspiracy brigade. Just because a few low paid young gun F1 press dweebs print rubbish on a topic, does not it is valid. Further, just because there are those who follow every negative story as a foundation to pound away does not validate or increase the substance of the initial baloney content. In this specific case, of all the statements made by Alonso, only one sentance even came close to suggesting Vettel has something to prove – accurately stating that time will tell how he will be portrayed in the long term (which applies to Alonso as well, BTW) – it was very innocuous. The rest of the article was very complimentary of both Red Bull and its driver. For those challenged by the heading of articles, that don’t read further, or comprehend well – The heading for this article was designed to get people to read it, and is not the actual substance of its content. Boycotthehaters Since winning his WDC (by a single point) in 2008, Hamilton has finished fifth, fourth, fifth and fourth in the WDC, This year he is currently fourth again. And yet I don’t notice anyone claiming he is a rubbish driver who lucked into winning the WDC. But as surely as water runs downhill, if Vettel finishes fourth in the WDC next year we’ll be absolutely deluged with comments of the “See? He’s useless without the best car” sort. Alonso_is_slow CHEAP MIND GAMES IS ALL ALONSO CAN DO AGAINST VETTEL. THE TREND CONTINUES. ALONSO SPEAKS ABOUT GREATNESS, BUT IT IS VETTEL WHO ACTUALLY ACHIEVES IT. Tinto Not a chance mate to hear that next years from the detractors, Vettel is gonna dominate next years as well. This is a sport of quick and smart, consistent and determined man, isn’t that V5ttek? the fan Fernando is spot on and there’s no malice to what he said. like it or not, Fernando was hailed as the best driver(by team pricipals and the media) last year in an uncompetitive ferrari, and he almost won it. thats his point. Eazy E Looool…. still a petulant child. We a;ready see Vettel is Alonso’s equal, at the least! But if we count poles, wins, fast laps, championships… well then Vettel is the clear victor, and only a fool would debate that! Jules C Alonso is right! Sorry Vettel fanboys but everybody, including all the team principles and drivers know that the car was major factor in their dominance. Unless Vettel can do what Alonso did in a Ferrari or Kimi and Hamilton in a Lotus and Merc respectively, Vettel hasn’t proven he is great. Alonso can say that because he is has proven to be the most complete driver. All the team principlesl acknowledge it and so do the other top drivers. Again sorry VEttel fanboys, RB should have hired Kimi and that would put all this to rest but Vettel has no balls to be up against Kimi or Alonso. I bet Vettel vetoed Alonso to join RB as well. Adriana Whe Ayrton Senna won his championships he had the best car at his disposal and nobody question him , let Vettel alone he will be ok in the future too . Ankit @lawl So you’re leaving out 2012 from your memory? Very convenient. How about you rethink what you said. The F2012 was a crappy car. It was the 4th fastest car, sometimes beaten by the likes of Sauber, Williams and Force India. And YET Alonso managed to stay right on top for the majority part of the season. What do you call that? If it wasn’t for the two DNFs, one of which was completely not his fault and the other, arguably not his fault either, he would have been champion in a really inferior car. Even after all that, he lost the championship just by 3 points. I think that says a lot about the driver. My point here is that Fernando proved that he can be a really great driver even in a crappy car, even if he didn’t win the championship. I think most people in the motorsport world would agree to the fact that last year was Fernando’s year. He was adjudged the driver of the season by majority of the team principals and if I’m not wrong, that includes Christian Horner as well. So if Vettel can do that in a crappy car (not saying he needs to win championships, but win races and at least stay in the title contention), then it will be well established that he’s a great driver. Until then there will always be doubt in everyone’s minds that it’s just the car. Alonso not only won races last year and stayed in title contention, but he was also leading the points table for most part of the season, in that crappy F2012. You don’t necessarily need to win championships to show that you’re a great driver. IMO Kimi is one of the best drivers out there, but he’s got only one championship (which also arguably is quite lucky). But that doesn’t make him any less worthy. He still wins races and even if he doesn’t, people still consider him really quick and really good. The same applies to Alonso. But this doesn’t apply to Vettel unless he shows his worth in a crappy car. Tamburello_1994 Lemme get this straight: Nobody thinks Vettel can “look good” in a Ferrari or Mercedes as the current driver of those cars? It wouldn’t be that difficult. Greg Vettel is FOUR times back to back world champion and Alonso says its to early to judge his tallent. The only 2 drivers complaining about Vettel only winning because he has the best car are Hamilton and Alonso. Last year everyone agreed that the Maclaren was the fastest car and Hamilton did nothing with it this year Ferrari started well and went backwards, Red Bull usually start slowly and speed up through the year. A car can only improve from the feedback by the driver so Vettel as Gary Anderson says has a better understanding of how the car works and is able to translate it to the team more intelligently than Hamilton and Alonso. Lewis and Fernando get over yourselves this faster car story is getting old Ankit You’re right! Nobody thinks so! Until he actually does it. Nobody will think so. Until then it’s just speculation Ankit @Greg Hahaha! You really think Red Bull moved so drastically forward, entirely because of Vettel’s feedback? If so, then why were THEY the first ones to complain about the tyres. They got the tyre compounds changed mid season and that’s it, from there on there was no looking back for them. Up until then, every front runner was in contention, including Ferrari. Ferrari’s down slide was because of tyre changes mid season. As I see this, it looks like Red Bull just got their way, had rules bent in their favour, while other teams suffered. So to say that Red Bull’s dominance is because of Vettel’s feedback, is kinda being naive. Vettel didn’t create Red Bull. Red Bull created Vettel! Ankit How else would you explain Sauber’s sudden upsurge and Force India’s woes? Tables turned completely. Force India’s performances during the beginning of the season was beyond amazing. This year the Sauber was nothing like last year. After the tyre compounds were changed, their performances reversed completely. I still think it was quite unfair to change the tyre compounds mid season. Tamburello_1994 If Vettel goes to Ferrari or wherever and doesn’t win a WDC – But does fairly well – Just as Alonso has in his four years, There will still be the “goalpost movers” who will say “See! Seb can’t win anything without Adrian Newey.” Mark my words. farizY Wow, what a surprise, you need a fast car to win championship. Ofcourse, Duhhhh. So a young lad; only 26 years old, almost a quadruple world champion, is nothing? Not proven? What a joke. Ankit @Tamburello_1994 If Vettel does what Alonso did in a Ferrari, when he moves to Ferrari, I for sure won’t be one of them who says, “See! Seb can’t win anything without Adrian Newey.” I will then appreciate his talent, to be honest. Like i mentioned before, I don’t watch F1 with a view that only the world champions are great drivers. Any driver could be a great driver even if he isn’t a world champion. In Seb’s case, until he proves himself in another car (again, not saying he needs to win championships), I will find him as just another driver in a super fast car. @farizY Look man, nobody is denying his WDCs or his ability. All they are trying to say is that if you really wanna compare who’s a better driver then put another driver like Alonso or Kimi in the Red Bull against Vettel (which will never happen) or wait for Vettel to join Ferrari or which ever other team he chooses to join. In a running race, one guy wears shoes and the rest of the field is asked to run barefoot, and you say, “to run fast, you require shoes, duhhhh!” doesn’t necessarily show that the guy wearing the shoes is way more superior than his counterparts. If another runner was given the same pair of shoes, only then you could compare them together. So I suggest you don’t devalue people’s opinions when they say that Vettel has got a really fast car and that the car is majorly responsible for his 4 WDCs. Again, I’m not saying he’s a bad driver. He’s brilliant, but what makes it all the more easier for him is his car and THAT’s why he may never be considered a great champion, unless he proves his worth in a different car. Tamburello_1994 @ Ankit Fair enough. You make a good case when put that way. Well done. Thanks for the good debate. Red Horizon Taskmaster is right, reading the statements of Alonso on other sites / newspapers you understand very well that he did not say anything bad against Vettel. He also spoke about other things in general (Raikkonen, Massa, Pirelli, the record of points …) that do not appear here. So, starting from the title, this article emphasizes only a small part but it is not really the substance of the speech. As for the future of Alonso, I think he’s simply waiting to see the quality of the Ferrari project for 2014 and to assess the relationship with Kimi as a teammate. If not everything will work as he expects, he could also decide to leave Ferrari at the end of next season. But this is just my impression. Hawk @Greg If you choose to ignore the fact that Hamilton had 4 wins and 3 DNFs while leading last year then I do not know what to call you. In F1 winning is what matters most not consistency. Kimi being 3rd last year but with 1 win gifted to him by Lewis is nothing to write home about. So do not think more knowledgeable people in the paddock are stupid to rate these drivers the way they do. For instance to me a win followed by a DNF is better than 2 3rd places if one is not fighting for the WDC. You are the people interested in such statements like “best driver not to win a WDC”. Tamburello_1994 “a win followed by a DNF is better than 2 3rd places if one is not fighting for the WDC.” I’m the exact opposite. If no WDC is at stake, And that’s key here, Two trophies are better than one – with a DNF. My opine. farizY @Ankit So I guess we will never know who’s better then, if we were to wait until all of them have the same car? But statistic speaks for itself. What is actually happening is Vettel making full use of the hardware that he has, thus that remarkable pace he had over the last few races. The car is getting better + Vettel able to fully utilise its potential, that does not mean you can say he’s not better than the rest. Again pointing out the obvious, most definitely Vettel’s car has something to do with his dominance. I don’t recall any world champions winning titles in an inferior package. And the likes of Alonso and Kimi and Hamilton, they did not won the title in an inferior package. So let me get this straight, from your point of view, a champion, will only be a true champion, if he’s able to win titles using a Caterham at it current performance, is that it? Everyone seems to forget Vettel’s outing in a BMW Sauber and Torro Rosso. Ankit @farizY you miss my point completely man. I never said anything about anyone winning with a Caterham under them. I’m only saying that if Vettel shows this kind of performance with any other FRONT RUNNING car, then maybe his performance is legit. Of course there will be a way to figure that out, if and when Vettel gets another drive in the future which is most likely to happen. Don’t twist my sentences. Like I was telling Tamburello_1994, that I don’t doubt his performance. If Vettel is doing what Alonso is doing or what kimi is doing in inferior cars, I will give him my due respect. Until then, there will always be a doubt lingering in my head. And going by your logic, if Alonso had won last year’s championship in that inferior F2012 (again, mind you, just 3 points adrift) , that would make him the only driver to win a championship in that manner and by default the greatest champion since F1 began, which even I don’t think is true even after being an Alonso fan. You’re totally not getting my point, I don’t judge drivers by their number of championships. I judge them by the way they drive under various circumstances Vettel has always been in the front because of his car. We seldom get to see him fighting for places down the grid or fighting for wins because he easily gets them. That’s why I don’t rate his as a really great champion. His Sauber days don’t count and his win with a Torro Rosso, as extra ordinary it was, was a one off. That way even Hulkenberg had a super race last weekend but I won’t rate him as the best just yet. I hope you understand now what I’m trying to say. Cheers Red Bull Cheats @Boycotthehaters, I suggest you learn to use Google. Saying I am a liar doesn’t actually compare to looking up the facts online. The BBC F1 website disagree with you, so maybe you can email them and call them liars. Or maybe look in the mirror and see who the real liar is… Red Bull Cheats F1 has always been 20% the driver and 80% the car. Anyone who judges a driver by their results is ignoring 80% of the reason for those results. So saying Vettel is a great driver because he is a 4x WDC is stupid. Did he achieve that with a car that was 20% slower that the competition or a car that was 20% faster? Those that know what is going on don’t rate Vettel. Last year he won the WDC and the team principles voted Alonso #1. sebolonso Listen red bull cheater, BBC website is ok, but Andrew Benson is like a naive teenage girl who is blindly in love with samurai Alonso. BBC should dump such incompetent joke. F1 Marg I have yet to see Vettel come from behind as much as Alonso has and still been on the podium. A good driver is not always just winning because he has a fast car,it what he can do when he has not. I agree team principles voted Alonso as the best pound for pound driver. I to wonder about some form of traction control in the red bull car, Mark Webber never has this control in his car. Put Alonso in the red bull and Vettel in the Ferrari then we can see if it’s the driver or car,Vettel never has to race his car in the same way as the others. Also welcome back Kimi. Tinto @F1 Marg: What about having both Vettel and Alonso in the same car? Would not that be the best comparison? F1 is speed and balls, with proper cars young people have better nerve reaction and coordination (mind and limbs) and more testosterone. IMHO Vettel will win, being younger and successful for the last years for Vettel is a plus, Alonso is a good driver no question about that, but he is older and seven years of no title has made him bitter. Tinto @Jules C: I bet a grand with you that Vettel will trash the field with both Alonso and Kimi in the same cars. Sebastian is intellectually, more articulate and quick minded guy (have you listened Alonso discourses?) that proves a good quality cortex, determined (multi 21 is a warning!), unabated (does not give a sh1t on boos and ignore hamiltonians), etc. Nothing with Kimi, I really like this lad for years, but will be beaten by Seb. ZombieF1 Sorry Alonso. You have no more WDC since 2006. Instead of looking at your rivals’ future, why don’t you look into the mirror. It’s been 7 years. So what’s that all about. At least Kimi did it in his first year with Ferrari but definitely not you. fools Haters still hating. All the LOVE you give him. fools If you do NOT like FA dont comment. sebolonso A little bit like in North Korea. One truth and thats it? fools @Taskmaster Again, the fallacy engine at full throttle from the cheater conspiracy brigade. Just because a few low paid young gun F1 press dweebs print rubbish on a topic, does not it is valid. Further, just because there are those who follow every negative story as a foundation to pound away does not validate or increase the substance of the initial baloney content. In this specific case, of all the statements made by Alonso, only one sentence even came close to suggesting Vettel has something to prove – accurately stating that time will tell how he will be portrayed in the long term (which applies to Alonso as well, BTW) – it was very innocuous. The rest of the article was very complimentary of both Red Bull and its driver. For those challenged by the heading of articles, that don’t read further, or comprehend well – The heading for this article was designed to get people to read it, and is not the actual substance of its content. ————————————————————————————————– EXACTLY! SPOT ON! I LOVE THIS SITE BUT I HATE THE TROLLS THESE ARTICLES DRAWS. fools Seems to me Alonso did nothing but compliment the Vettel and RB. This article is misleading to create more trolls/haters. SMH fools Those that know what is going on don’t rate Vettel. Last year he won the WDC and the team principles voted Alonso #1. —————————————————————————— EXACTLY! Obviously that means to MUCH for haters/trolls to realize. Boycotthehaters “The BBC F1 website disagree with you, so maybe you can email them and call them liars.” I’ve just been to the BBC F1 website, where I saw a list the the 20 greatest F1 drivers of all time. Number ten on that list was Alonso. Number eight on the list was Vettel – and he’s won two more WDC’s since that list was made. Sorry, but the BBC F1 website rates Vettel higher the Alonso. Boycotthehaters “Unless Vettel can do what Alonso did in a Ferrari or Kimi and Hamilton in a Lotus and Merc respectively, Vettel hasn’t proven he is great.” Oh, right … we’ll know Vettel is great when he finishes several seasons in second through fifth places! Do you have ANY idea how stupid you sound? If Vettel finishes fourth next season and fifth the season after you won’t hail him as a great driver for doing it, you’ll crow about how he’s been “found out”. TexasRoadhouse just because you do not agree with someone’s opinion does not make it “ridiculous” or absurd. The intolerance of some posters here to other viewpoints is simply indicative of their own ignorance and an unwillingness to accept that other opinions might just be right. Alonso might not have scored a point with Minardi, but he was regularly putting the car higher up the grid than it had a right to be – and that was the opinion of Paul Stoddart. Class will show just as much with an inferior car as with the best – you just have to look a bit harder. Tinto In response to Alonso and others questioning Vettel’s skill… Look for Murray Walker’s comments made today about Vettel: ‘”…he is one if the most gigantically talented drivers we’ve ever seen…” Another comment was about only three drivers made from the same mold: Vettel, Schumacher and Senna, with an added value for Vettel as being the only one having a well developed sense of humour. Detractors never learn, that is sickness. Red Bull Cheats @Boycotthehaters, I was talking about the BBC website stating the facts that Red Bull ran an illegal ride height adjuster, which you keep claiming they didn’t. I’m not talking about their opinion of who is a top driver. They won’t know as much as team principals in that regard. Anyway you will twist it all around to suit your version of the truth, not the actual truth, so why do I even bother to talk to you? Ankit @Boycottthehaters Mate, read my comments I’ve posted on this article before, you ll get a clearer picture. Let me know if you agree with me. I said that I will appreciate Vettel if he does what Alonso did in the Ferrari and what kimi did in the Lotus. I didn’t say he should win championships or anything. And I’m also not implying that I will consider him to be a great driver if he comes 4th or 5th in the championship. Of course that sounds ridiculous. I’m saying that he could come any place in the championship provided he drives the inferior car well and puts in on the podium consistently like Alonso and kimi have been doing. Makes sense to you? Let me know if it does. Also lets be mature and have a decent debate about this. Let’s not act like ridiculous fan boys. Everybody here supports a driver they like. I’m not saying this to you, but everyone around here. I’m guessing we’re all adults here or at least people with rational thinking. Cheers fools @ankit spot on mate Tamburello_1994 People tend to forget last year wasn’t a cakewalk for Vettel, and it was Alonso who led a good chunk of the season. Sebastian should be given credit for the way he performed when he needed to late and put himself in position to be there in the end. Just keeping it real. Red Bull Cheats Tamburello_1994, last year in Singapore Vettel got a new longer nose on his car, and hey presto he went heaps faster. Then video shower that the nose was flexing, not the front wing, and that was how Red Bull once again circumvented the rules. So Vettel was doing it hard when al, things were fair, and then Red Bull found yet another loophole in the rules. If you Google the videos you will see the front wing flexing from the nose like crazy! Tamburello_1994 @ Cheats I guess it matters little that Hamilton was on the pole and was leading that race until his gearbox failed. Some could argue Vettel was gifted that race. Luckra If Alonso was not connected with B…. arranging accidents and incidents during races prstises etc… He will never been world champion. Schumaker and Vettel have work with team to improve the car. WHEN HE WAS IN Mc Lsrens the was the best csrin this year he was beaten by a rookie. Like in 2013 if Massa was not become a Sancho Pansa pulling him in qualification or race he will not even be on podium for. Hampionship!!!! Better to be more humble !Ferrari was betting on him instewd of team and he fifn’t deliver!!!!