Singapore Grand Prix: Vettel in a league of his own edges closer to fourth title 22 September, 2013 Sebastian Vettel takes command of the Singapore GP which he never relinquished until the chequered flag All the superlatives have been exhausted in the case of Sebastian Vettel and his dominant displays this year, yet again the Red Bull driver was in a league of his own as he notched up his seventh win of the season in powering to victory in the Singapore Grand Prix. With it he extends his championship points lead while bagging his third consecutive victory – Spa and Monza and now Marina Bay – and took home the biggest trophy of the weekend for the third time in as many years at the floodlit venue. It was another master class, another dominant display and another apparently effortless triumph by the triple World Champion. For a fraction of a second he succumbed to an attack from Nico Rosberg into Turn 1, but simply undercut the Mercedes driver exiting the first turn, and thereafter was never challenged despite a mid-race Safety Car to remove the crashed Toro Rosso of Daniel Ricciardo, who moves to Red Bull next year… Vettel’s pace was alien-like as he stretched his lead early on with a succession of laps which saw him edge away at a second a lap from Rosberg in pursuit. Just before mid-distance the gap was close to ten seconds, and the Safety Car concertina-ed the pack. Vettel had it all to do, and when the race was green flagged again he was told to “go for it” by his engineer, whereupon he reeled off a succession of fastest laps. Singapore podium (L to R) Fernando Alonso (second), Christian Horner (winning team principal), race winner Sebastian Vettel and Kimi Raikkonen (third) And that was that. He won by a whopping 32.6 seconds – in a league of his own – but the podium boo brigade was out again. Clearly not true fans of Formula 1, as they fail to respect a driver etching his name up there with the greats such as Ayrton Senna, Michael Schumacher, Niki Lauda, Alain Prost, Jackie Stewart, Jim Clark and like all who won races and titles with great cars too. Vettel said afterwards, “The start was quite hairy, Nico had a better start than me but thankfully he went a bit too deep and I was able to recover which was very important. The car was incredible and it was a pleasure to drive it round this crazy track. “This is a long race so there are a lot of things that can go wrong so you can’t afford to lean back. At the end I was just controlling the gap. It was hard work out there but we like it because it is one of the most challenging tracks,” added the World Champion. Big winner on the day was Fernando Alonso who started seventh and a couple of hours later was celebrating second place on the podium, after another trademark display of determination and guts. He did all the hard work in the space of about two hundred metres as he blitzed into third place by the time he exited Turn 1. Thereafter he stuck to a game-plan which allowed him to stay in touch with Rosberg, who ran second for the first half of the race, but then strategy played into the Ferrari driver’s hands and second was his reward for an evening’s work. Sebastian Vettel and the Red Bull RB9 are proving to be invincible Alonso reflected, “It was a fun start and we knew we didn’t have the pace today so we had to invent something with a different strategy from the other teams. It paid off at the end. We are in a position in the Championship where we have nothing to lose. We pushed, the car performed well and the fans pushed us too.” Man of the match must go to Kimi Raikkonen who overcame a back injury and started from 13th on the grid to finish third. The Iceman kept his cool as he went wheel to wheel with just about everyone. He was the first to pit for fresh rubber and emerged down in 19th. But as is his custom he got on with it, kept out of trouble while maintaining a very strong pace, and capitalised on the lucky break which came his way in the form of the Safety Car period. “I think I had OK speed and I could overtake people so I just kept the pressure on and I managed to pull away and thankfully no one managed to catch me,” said Raikkonen. After the race, when asked if his back was paining Raikkonen replied, “Luckily not to much but now afterwards it is not feeling too good but it’s doesn’t matter as we have two weeks now to get it right. Mark Webber gets a lift back to the pits with Fernando Alonso Although Nico Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton finished fourth and fifth respectively, Mercedes were the big losers on the day. Rosberg started second and did not have an answer to Vettel’s pace, but seemed to be the best of the rest, while Hamilton was involved in a number of scuffles that impeded his progress after messing up the opening lap. Once sensed pure frustration emanating from the Silver Arrows as they tripped over one another in the closing stages of the race, after Rosberg questioned instructions from his pit wall to up the ante. “Why do I need to push? I don’t want to push more than I have to round here,” asked Rosberg when his engineer told him to go for it in the finally 20 laps. Team principal Ross Brawn reasoned, ‘The Safety Car came out at exactly the wrong time for us. We felt it was too soon to go for the rest of the race on one set of tyres. It was right on the cusp and we saw [that] it was marginal for other cars.” Felipe Massa and Hamilton had some nail biting moments, conjuring up memories of their last on-track feud that often ended with bent metal, but the Brazilian survived to finish sixth. Win number seven in 2013 for Sebastian Vettel Jenson Button ran as high as third, with Sergio Perez slugging it out in fifth as McLaren gambled on taking their tyres further than most. It almost worked, but in the end they ran out of grip and did well to finish seventh and eighth respectively, while providing most of the excitement in the final stages of the race. Nico Hulkenberg was in the wars with his Sauber, turning 11th on the grid into ninth and again going head-to-head with most of the top guns and boxing way over his weight. The final point for tenth went to Adrian Sutil who started 15th and dropped down to 19th early on which prompted a strong fight back from the Force India driver. It was heartache for teammate Paul di Resta who was running as high as third before he parked it nose first into Turn 7. An early shower for the luckless Scot. Ricciardo described his crash at Turn 18, “The crash was my error, trying to make up for lost ground. Maybe at the end I was just trying to get too much out of it and made that mistake. It’s a delicate corner with not much run-off and I went too deep into the apex. I then braked a bit harder, locked a wheel and went into the wall. It’s not a mistake I’m used to making. I will learn from this.” Mark Webber and Romain Grosjean looked like podium contenders until separate mechanical failures ended their ambitions. Grosjean was over cautious at the start, which cost him a few places. But he kept at it and it was clear that the Lotus was getting stronger as the race evolved, but on lap 37 he was told to come into the pits as the “engine pneumatic system lacked air, we topped it up [but], it didn’t fix it” explained the team. A podium had been very much on the cards for the Frenchman. Then at the very end, as Webber scythed his way to what looked like a podium finish the Renault in his Red Bull cried enough after he was told to short shift with the end in sight. He tried to nurse it around the final lap to at least claim some points, but the back end caught fire and he was forced to park. Webber burning and Vettel winning at the exact same time, was a vignette which summed up the trials and tribulations the Australian has endured while his teammate has covered himself in glory during their five years together. In a nice touch, Alonso gave his Aussie mate a lift back to the pits… (GP247) Subbed by AJN. Singapore Grand Pirx at Marina Bay Circuit – Sunday, 22 September 2013 Pos No Driver Team Laps Time Grid Pts 1 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing-Renault 61 Winner 1 25 2 3 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 61 +32.6 secs 7 18 3 7 Kimi Räikkönen Lotus-Renault 61 +43.9 secs 13 15 4 9 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 61 +51.1 secs 2 12 5 10 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 61 +53.1 secs 5 10 6 4 Felipe Massa Ferrari 61 +63.8 secs 6 8 7 5 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 61 +83.3 secs 8 6 8 6 Sergio Perez McLaren-Mercedes 61 +83.8 secs 14 4 9 11 Nico Hulkenberg Sauber-Ferrari 61 +84.2 secs 11 2 10 15 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 61 +84.6 secs 15 1 11 16 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 61 +88.4 secs 18 12 12 Esteban Gutierrez Sauber-Ferrari 61 +97.8 secs 10 13 17 Valtteri Bottas Williams-Renault 61 + secs 16 14 18 Jean-Eric Vergne STR-Ferrari 61 + secs 12 15 2 Mark Webber Red Bull Racing-Renault 60 +1 Lap 4 16 21 Giedo van der Garde Caterham-Renault 60 +1 Lap 20 17 23 Max Chilton Marussia-Cosworth 60 +1 Lap 22 18 22 Jules Bianchi Marussia-Cosworth 60 +1 Lap 21 19 20 Charles Pic Caterham-Renault 60 +1 Lap 19 20 14 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 54 +7 Lap 17 Ret 8 Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 37 +24 Laps 3 Ret 19 Daniel Ricciardo STR-Ferrari 23 +38 Laps 9 Tweet Related NewsPirelli reveal compounds for next three racesPerez: One day something will happen with the tyres so we will regret itHorner: Vettel has got to be right up there with F1′s greatest driversMassa: I have talked to a few teams and there may be some good opportunitiesCan anyone stop Vettel’s relentless charge to a fourth Formula 1 world title?Typhoon heading for Korea ahead of grand prix weekendIs clever engine mapping on his Red Bull the secret to Vettel’s success?Ferrari taxi ride invoice to Webber after singapore was a blogger’s hoaxMinardi: It’s not my intention to devalue Vettel, I just want to tell what I sawWere Vettel and his Red Bull using clever traction control in Singapore win? the fan vettel untouchabe again, so 4th title is clearly on the way. monstrous start by fernando again, you have to wonder what if he qualified better. kimi, well so he really likes racing even w/o pay McLarenfan Who can catch the BULL with Seb at the wheel. Alonso & Kimi drove so well Jenson dropped a lot at the end. The Bull is unreal. Tamburello_1994 Got to give it to Fernando for the effort in the race but nobody had anything for Sebastian. Scary. KC Crushing stuff from Vettel. He looks like an F1 driver competing with a bunch of part time amateurs. Alonso does his usual trick of fluffing qualifying and then recovering the places he lost in qualifying in the first 300 meters from the start. If he had started in third as he should have …. he’d still have finished in the exact same place. God Almighty could not have caught Vettel today. KC “The Bull is unreal.” No, it’s not. The driver in it is. Webber’s Bull never looked even slightly unreal. Glen_M Congratz Sebastian, you deserve it. Though those impolite booeing at you but still you’re the fastest, make us admire u more. Keep up the good work! Branch Loved the fans booooing & the shouting of Alonso’s name over Vettel farted words on the podium…Best out put tonight was KIMI. the fan vettel and webber’s car is NOT exactly the same, everyone knows this. yeah vettel is fast but the car factor is always there together with his skills, as it has always been. Ukwhite @Branch: Really dislike using such a word, but your talk and feelings in a modern 2013 era, hundreds of years past Middle Ages, is of a rude and non-emphatical caveman. Great drive from Alonso and Kimi. Sad feelings for Grisjean, this guy is really unlucky. V4ttel, the usual day in the office. KC “vettel and webber’s car is NOT exactly the same, everyone knows this” Yes, they are EXACTLY the same, everyone knows this. the fan KC… i dont think so, redbull’s recent upgrades since spa are all in Seb’s car and not in webber’s. regardless of it, i still rate seb as better than webber, i wont argue with that. its just that seb’s success in the past 4 years is largely due to that invincible machinery. Branch @Ukwhite: pardon my language 21st century human. But still, the caveman insists that KIMI had the best race in this boring evening. @KC: no way on earth Webbers car is EXACTLY the same. Other wise Vettel wouldn’t be where he is right now. Webber had only few clean races this season for example. Which makes you wonder how come & why. Webber is sick of it by the way. KC “no way on earth Webbers car is EXACTLY the same. Other wise Vettel wouldn’t be where he is right now.” You need some courses in remedial logic. Obviously the cars COULD be the same and Vettel COULD be where he is right now, if Vettel is a better driver. And a blind man who knows nothing about F1 (you, for instance) should be able to see that Vettel IS a better driver. Ukwhite Booing Vettel by Ferrari fans may backfire, this lad is an ambitious and proud man that will nor forget it, the more they boo him, the more committed for defeating them he will become. Mercedes and McLaren may take advantage of it in 2015 or so getting him on board, especially the German Mercedes. His car is fast but the way he has increased the gap today shows this guy is made of steel. jl more boo, more determination from Vettel. he has a great mentor, not in the driving sytle but on how he manage team and winning mindset. the young schumacher! more boo, more he try to get more win. that’s a champion character which would never understood by a bunch of losers! lawl Michael Schumacher likes this (Y) Tamburello_1994 Being the history buff that I am, This has been a truly great time to be an F-1 fanatic. What a treat to have witnessed the Prost / Senna era, The Schumacher era, And now the dominance of the Sebastian Vettel era. The more some folks boo, The more adulation and respect I have for Vettel, and his accomplishments. For me, it’s all about the history books now. F1 Neutral @Tamburello_1994 I’ve read many of your comments on this site and I agree with what you are trying to get across. Vettel is frighteningly good – the most clinical driver since Schumacher in his prime. In virtually every team, one driver is significantly better than the other, maybe leaving Mercedes out, and in Redbull that driver is Vettel. He’s not made a mistake since Canada 2011. For those who say that the Redbulls are not the same … come on guys … did you not see how close qualifying was between the 2 cars? Webber was slower at sector 3 all weekend but was faster on his last run in sectors 1 and 2. Redbull can afford to build 20 of the same cars – their funds are a bottomless pit. If Alonso had started pole or 7th he would not have touched Seb today. On another note – I thought that Lewis looked a lot faster than Nico today towards the latter part of the race and would have got past the cars in a more clinical and quick fashion, something that Nico didn’t do. To all those “regular bloggers” who like to rubbish Alonso – where are you today, or any day when he performs like this? You seem to spend your life on here, spouting hatred and nonsense, so why not now? You might hate him with a passion but if you’re making posts under the name of “Alonso Is Slow” then it’s both ignorant and childish. Alonso_is_Slow F1 neutral, your pathetic positioning of yourself as a wise F1 observer has failed. You are both boring and ignorant. No one cares about your empty comments. Alonso is slow in his own right – Massa was faster than him both in qualifying and the race. Your weak attempts to hide to do not concern me, I actually enjoy the truth prevailing. Recently many people finally come to see the the truth, how weak Alonso in fact is, as you can see from the comments. I like that. In the meantime feel free to make your long BS comments. Branch @ KC & the Vettel worshipers: Sure Vettel is a better driver than Webber, but don’t forget Webber 14 KG heavier than Vettel & this doesn’t help in a lap time. But then again, the car Vettel drives has the better engineers in his department & the new updates goes to his car first. JUST why dose Webber’s car suffers all the break downs & not the otherwise? In general, the RB car is untouchable & beyond the comprehension of the FIA scrutiny or other teams engineers. If the same Vettel is in todays Ferrari on poll is ahead of Vettel in the same RB car by 5 positions in the same race track, the Vettel RB will catch up, pass & win the race by at least 20 sec’s margins. The car is a true fiction. @ F1 Neutral: My greatest respect to Alonso. Just outstanding performance as always. A true smart fighter by all means. +A Tamburello_1994 U just mad coz Vettel stylin on U. Bert HELP….QUESTION ,after Ricciardo crashed….the track was cleared in NO TIME, but the safty car kept going and going and going lap after lap….WHY ? Can someone explain this to me ! Thanks KC It took a long time for the lapped cars to catch up, that’s why the safety car was out so long. KC “don’t forget Webber 14 KG heavier than Vettel & this doesn’t help in a lap time.” You do realize the cars are all ballasted to weight exactly the same? Welcome to F1, newbie. ” why dose Webber’s car suffers all the break downs” It doesn’t! Vettel’s car has had a lot more breakdowns over the years than Webbers. KC “Redbull can afford to build 20 of the same cars – their funds are a bottomless pit.” Where does that come from? Red Bull has less money than Ferrari or Mercedes. farizY @Branch Apparently, you’re a part time Redbull engineer, you seem to know what’s going on behind the scenes. LOL. Conspiracy theorist makes me sick. Why can’t we all just acknowledge that Vettel is just simply awesome? dude’s on his way for his fourth title. I can’t recall anybody winning the championship from an inferior machine. It’s always the beautiful balance between man and machine that produces the results. And Vettel + Redbull combination is explosive. Bert @ Branch Alonso’s ass (2nd)was saved by Ricciardo’s crash and the safety car….But yes,he’s a good driver. Ukwhite @Bert: “Alonso’s ass…” Interesting watching today a villan smile and vigurous waving to his Ferrari tifossi when Vettel was booed. Like father like sons… Tinto Devastating rythm after lap 31, in next 15 laps Vettel pilled up circa 30 seconds ahead of Alonso with a clinical precision on a demanding track. With yesterday pole won in pitlane, we have witnessed a Vettel at his best. Yes, that is history in motion we are lucky watchin it. Then Ferrari Gorrillas stepped in, spoiling a great celebration… A shame for such a nice sport. PB Well another championship for Vettel and Red Bull after two more wins which could be as soon as Japan in mid October. Alonso_is_Slow check out lap times you fool, and you will see who is the worst observer (you in fact) Ankit First of all, to everyone who blames the Tifosi for booing Vettel, especially @Tinto: explain to me how you know they were all Tifosi? Did they have it written all over their heads? The fans that were booing weren’t shown specifically on TV, carrying Ferrari flags or wearing Ferrari caps or anything like that. Sure you can blame the Tifosi in a place like Monza because 95% of them are Tifosi. But in a place like Singapore? How can you assume they were all Tifosi? They could have been Mercedes, Lotus or any other team’s fans. Vettel isn’t just hated by the Tifosi, but he’s also hated by other teams’ supporters as well. I’m not saying that’s a good thing and I feel bad for the guy but c’mon, blaming this entirely on the Tifosi, is being completely ignorant. Ankit @Alonso_is_slow You’re a nut job as usual! BigE Do you all even watch these races? Small closed minds and repetitive nonsense… ever think of applying to SKY/FOX? F1 Neutral @the fan I don’t think Alonso_is_Slow is an “observer” … just someone with far too much time on his/her hands. Probably a teenager on the keyboard. They tend to be quite ignorant with their words. Never mind, plenty of them on the internet in general lol. Your_mom_is_slow I have nothing to comment about. I just wanted everybody to read my screen name, directed towards the most pathetic loser on this forum! I’m sure everybody know who it is Henson Alonso_is_Slow is an observer, but what he ‘observes’ is anyone’s guess. In reality, he is Vitaly Petrov, and is jealous of Alonso’s money, success, reputation (among the paddock insiders and not just among F1 ‘observers’) as the best driver, the fact that McClaren still wants him, and that Alonso has a hot girlfriend. Or a girlfriend, for that matter. But keep it up, we love to see you cry. Henson @ Tinto Vettel is booed because he is boring, and when his car hasn’t been up to it he sounds like a brat. He also showed insecurity and poor sportmanship when he cheated on Webber and changed his stance back and forth, as if guided by his coaches. People understandably don’t like it when such weak characters have the best kit. Was Button booed like that while he was dominating in that Brawn? Henson @ KC Q: ‘Where does that come from?’ A: From that cancerous ‘energy drink’ you spend your money on. Glen_M @ henson Never get bored of Vettel. I like to see what I see in the racing, the tense one compete each other or dominating each other, that happens in the racing. No body is perfect even a world champion, doesn’t mean that other drivers don’t have poor attitude. Just enjoy the race. the fan “check out lap times you fool, and you will see who is the worst observer (you in fact)” so you actually care more about lap times than the actual results? now you’re not just an idiot but typically brainless. i suggest you just enjoy watching saturdays, brag about it, shout about it. dont bother to watch sundays anymore. its for real people, brainless persons are strictly prohibited. Alonso_is_Slow no, I care about results, but nontheless Alonso was slower than Massa in the quali and in the race. I understand this is hard to accept for lunatic Alonso fans, but unfortunately this is the truth. Alonso is slow. I think most of you were among the booers. the fan unfortunately, the truth is youre a lunatic, yeah im a fan of alonso, also of vettel and kimi and I accept the truth, looks like it is you who dont Branch @ Keyboard Cuckoo (KC): Easy on the vodka RedBull mix while viewing the F1 world. M.. knows it all. @ farizY:No theory here. its a fact. Give that same car to KIMI & he will be in the same or if not in a better position. It is just too dull. Hamilton, Alonso & KIMI are putting in the real show this season. @ slow: Keep it up. We need a clown in here. the fan i admire vettel by his determination, speed and hunger. thats it. its becoming a bit boring, knowing that even before the actual race itself, the probability of him winning is about 90%. im a schumi fan but I really got bored of him especially during the 2004 season and its good to have someone that time(2005, alo and kimi) to ease the predictable nature of F1. hopefully 2014 will be a bit more different Glen_M @ Branch ‘Give that same car to KIMI & he will be in the same or if not in a better position.’ YES, then what is wrong with that. Sebastian has the astonishing skill and he is lucky to have the incredible car.. Even Fernando wishes a lot of luck Hamilton said: “I tried to imagine (when I saw him on the podium) what it would be like if I was winning races as easy as he has been winning them. It’s every driver’s dream to have a car to be able to fight….. Ukwhite @the fan: What about following a tougher racing, WTC, where another Sebastien won 9 championships on a trot. Was that boring too? Alonso_is_Slow Alonso would be rubbish if he chose to go rallying aswell. bmendon @the fan-The best car in the world is useless without a great driver. Webber has proven that over and over again. As for the rest of the Vettel haters, you people are just showing your lack of class and ignorance of the sport. Oh, and both Red Bull cars are identical with except to setup and aero tweaks and that comes from a direct quote from the team principal. Tinto @Henson: Button was merely one time champion almost beaten by Vettel in that year. Only Seb’s car’s failures saved Button. He did not dominate to ruffle red feathers. People, generally speaking masses if you call masses red cancer related to Massa-s, love to hate and that is their everyday existance, the lower their education level the more difficult to counteract it. And they are too many… Humanity suffered from that. A thing very worrisome is that Seb is going to be affected by the plebeian masses’ pressure and that will be terribly sad. He can pure and simple disappear or have an accident or even being phydically hurt by a crazy red gorilla, remember Monica Seles in tennis. Masses are a dangerous conglomerate. Butterfly bmendon: Newey himself that the best car on the grid + an average driver equals success. Look at Button, he dominated the first half of 2009 and then held on to take the title with Brawn. Just imagine Jenson at Red Bull during the 2010-2013 period – he would have gotton the same titles Vettel did, so just because Vettel got those titles doesn’t mean he could match someone like Alonso or Hamilton. LH said he looked at SV’s onboard recording for Singapore and couldn’t believe how little he was pushing compared to some of the other drivers and how fast his car was going. But, as LH also said, SV does his job and gets the results, and he deserves that. After all, it’s not SV’s fault that his team is brilliant at car design & development. Ukwhite Pushing a slower car is just that, is not pushing, the real value of a driver on a fast F1 circuit is when pushing a much faster car that physicaly and mentaly is pushing the driver to his limits. Masterclass of Vettel driving yesterday the fast corners, Mark pure and simple cannot cope with RB high downforce. 30 second is just huge, dust in every f1 racers’ eyes. Alonso is not fastest, period, his qulification stats are below Vettel and Lewis. He has one of the best starts and his car takes partially the merit. He is consistent, Spanish taurus like during the race, but again with a car that really performs and very reliable. Without any question Vettel is supreme in what he is doing, very painful for Ferrari camarilla abd Alonso’s himself. Alonso_is_Slow Butterfly, you are trying to convince us so hard, that sometimes it looks like you really beleive what you say. KC “Give that same car to KIMI & he will be in the same or if not in a better position.” Kimi drove Newey cars for several years and they never looked anything special with him behind the wheel. If you had not started following F1 just a few years ago you’d know all this. KC “Newey himself that the best car on the grid + an average driver equals success” Newey has never said any such thing. “LH said he looked at SV’s onboard recording for Singapore and couldn’t believe how little he was pushing compared to some of the other drivers and how fast his car was going” LH is an idiot who should worry more about trying to beat his teammate and less about his “legacy” and how he compares to Ayrton Senna. fools I like this: Big winner on the day was Fernando Alonso who started seventh and a couple of hours later was celebrating second place on the podium, after another trademark display of determination and guts. He did all the hard work in the space of about two hundred metres as he blitzed into third place by the time he exited Turn 1. Branch KC: “If you had not started following F1 just a few years ago you’d know all this.” FYI, I have been following F1 since mid 80′s. I have seen it live on TV, tracks & have been to major paddocks around the world & team garages for many years. I enjoyed talking to drivers, F1 team mangers & team partners. Few years ago we were close enough to arrange to buy a team to be managed by British italians & sponsored by major oil & gas international firms and so on…enough is said. The F1 world is a sea of info and cant always recall it all. But I recall that the Mclaren Newey built for KIMI was diffidently the fastest car on the track, but always had a reliability issues. The car simply wasn’t the same as the todays Newey/Vettel car. Branch @ fools: Alonso is the most cunning driver. Balls of steel & naturally talented like no others. Admiration. F1 Neutral @Branch I remember Newey designing a ‘B’ car for McLaren that never actually got to a circuit due to (I think) crash test failures and reliability, but it was apparently frighteningly fast and ahead of it’s time with downforce. That probably would be around the Kimi/Coulthard era of McLaren. Do you remember the year or the car? It may have been an MP14-B or a similar name? Branch @ F1 Neutral: Mclaren 2002: MP4-17 Mclaren 2003: MP4-17D Mclaren 2004: MP4-19 & MP4-19B The MP4-20 in year 2005 was a scary fast car & drivers were not allowed to change tiers. It was all about tyre management. It was hot between KIMI & Alonso. In 2006 it was as bad of a car & KIMI lost interest and was clashing with Ron. I recall angry Coulthard some how convinced Newey to move to RB. Ofcourse the money was good also. farizY @Branch It’s a fact you say? since when, “No theory here. its a fact. Give that same car to KIMI & he will be in the same or if not in a better position. It is just too dull. Hamilton, Alonso & KIMI are putting in the real show this season.” Is Kimi or Alonso or Hamilton in a Redbull car? It will be a FACT if one of these guys is actually IN a Redbull car. Until that happens, it’s obvious you’re just speculating. You never know, the Redbull car might not suit them. Plus, flying away with the win and dominating the race is what each and every single F1 driver dreamt of. No need to be a hypocrite by saying they’re putting on a good show. It’s not like they want to put a good show, is just that they’re not fast enough to run away and as a result of being close to one another, gave them the opportunity to give a “good” show. KC “FYI, I have been following F1 since mid 80?s.” FYI, you still know nothing about it “I recall that the Mclaren Newey built for KIMI was diffidently the fastest car on the track” No,they weren’t “the fastest car on the track”. And while some years cars were unreliable, those of 2003 and 2005 were not. Or at least they were no more unreliable than RB’s of the last few years, which have been rather fragile. “The car simply wasn’t the same as the todays Newey/Vettel car.” If only Newey had had a Vettel back then, think how successful he’d be today. Branch @ Keyboard Cuckoo: you are a waste of time kid. At least browse the net for facts. You deserve the right for appropriate knowledge.