Webber: My dad always says you shouldn’t hit boys 6 August, 2013 2013 is Mark Webber’s final year in Formula 1 Red Bull‘s Mark Webber, retiring from Formula 1 at the end of the season, has admitted that he will not be missing his teammate Sebastian Vettel. The Australian appeared on the BBC’s highly popular TV programme Top Gear this week, where he admitted that the sport is now “very different” to when he debuted over 200 grands prix ago. Asked about the era of heavily-degrading Pirelli tyres, Webber told presenter Jeremy Clarkson: “But that’s the way it is. “We’ve got to learn and get on with it, but you’ve got to be able to push. In Formula 1 it’s about us boys being absolutely on the limit all the time. Or it should be.” Webber, who turns 37 later this month, also admitted that he will not miss reigning triple consecutive world champion German Vettel, his teammate at Red Bull. Permanent damage was done when Sebastian Vettel and Mark Webber went head-to-head in Malaysia “Um – am I going to miss Seb?” he pondered. “Probably not a huge amount, no. I think in a competitive environment, there’s always going to be a bit of needle; there’s a lot of history between us as well.” That ‘history’ came to a head in Malaysia this year, when Vettel disobeyed a team order and passed Webber for victory. Asked by Clarkson if he felt like punching Vettel afterwards, Webber said: “My dad always says you shouldn’t hit boys, mate.” Revenge on the track is sweeter: Webber did a lap in Top Gear’s famous ‘reasonably priced’ Suzuki Liana, and pipped Vettel’s best time. (GMM) Subbed by AJN. 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He can be a very focused racer, but must be fed up when his car is mysteriously slower on race day and Dick Messerschmidt comes out questioning his will while praising the fake nice boy Sebastian Bieber. jurrabi Like that would be news for anybody… Spoiler Alert was due, by the way. Rockie “Revenge on the track is sweeter: Webber did a lap in Top Gear’s famous ‘reasonably priced’ Suzuki Liana, and pipped Vettel’s best time.” Ain’t life grand in F1 he couldn’t beat Vettel but that topgear time shows he can LOL he’s had the same car for 5 years, if I were DM I would have let Webber go as he is damaging the redbull brand than being an ambassador for it, case in point wwhy have a dig at your team mate. His innuendo’s makes it seem as if he’s being hampered! Henk @Uh It seems that the Reasonably PricedTest is the only time where all drivers have driven the same car. In that case, and with the same weather, Bieber was beaten by Webber and Hamilton. This proves its all about Newey drawing the fastest car and Dick Messerschmidt playing with Webber’s in the garage. =El Presidente= @Rocky : I think you don’t really understand how things work in F1 if you think that Webber has the ‘same’ car.. Vettel has the better engineers, gets the better updates (and earlier) Gets the beter chassis (because one of the two chassis is always just a tiny bit better.. Vettel always has a working KERS.. Webber always has a failing KERS when he seems to be faster then Vettel.. and so on and so on. Of course Vettel (to some degree) deserved the better parts, and engineers, that can be, but they do not drive the same car. It is the same with Romain.. not the same car, or Massa, not the same car as Alonso.. They are just marginal differences in the car, but they translate a lot bigger on raceday. This being said i do think Vettel is a bit faster then Webber, but only marginally.. And Vettel is not a very good racer.. ok, he has proven not to be rotten in ‘racing’ through a field (all be it in a much faster car) but he seems prone to mistakes when he is under pressure. Uh Henk, if you believe Webber is 9 tenths faster than Vettel then you are deluded. Top Gear is playing with the times and the car is definitely not the same to be 1 second faster suddenly for everyone that drives with it this season. If Vettel drove it now, he would beat Hamilton’s time with a few tenths. If you haven’ t noticed, Webber and Vettel have been driving the same car, around the same minutes under the same circumstances and in 95% of the cases, Vettel won. Hawk “Webber is not self respected by saying so…He should concentrate more on racing other than talking negatively all the time” Webber was invited on TopGear where he was asked the question. did you want him to evade the question or lie? have your pick? he was just frank and in case he put it very politely. btw have you watched TopGear before? Do you know the type of questions JC asks? Hawk edit last message: replace 2nd “?” with “.” insert “any” between “in” and “case”. real LOTUS is the GREEN one I totally agree with =El Presidente= Vettel and Webber don’t have exactly “same” car nor, above all, “same” conditions. I think Mark is a really good driver and i remember some outstanding overtaking in his career that prove he’s got talent. But maybe he is too correct and does not have the “badness” needed to gain a title, or simply a “clear” 1st drive contract. PS Excuse me for my english, hope the sense is understandable Webber’s mate Just going to point it out, but statistically, Webber is one of the best drivers of all time never to win a championship. Dont know why people think he’s is a shit driver when Seb is always the #1 priority in the Team. bmendon @Henk and his fellow conspiracy fanatics. It’s time remove your Tubi-Hubi tinfoil hats. I am looking for documented proof that a team would hamstring their chances of winning the constructor’s title by providing one of their team members with inferior equipment. That’s a lame excuse for Webbers poor performance and even worse starts. He is nothing but a bloviating professional number 2 driver. Loln Webber is such a poor employee, I’m still shocked they’ve kept him on this long. Fecking Dieter and his Red Bull in Australia marketing plan. Webber, still not gone, but already forgotten. Maarten @Bmendon, You’re looking at it wrong. They’re not deliberately giving him an inferior product. They’re giving Vettel just a bit better one. These car are all prototype’s, although a lot of machine parts, they all are man made and for these types of prototypes and highly sophisticated cars tiny differences can have huge effects. So it’s entirerly possible, logical and well documented in the past that almost no team is completely able to build 100% the same car. Unfortunately in F1 even .05% already makes a noticable difference Henk @Bmendon No tin foil hats, mate. The F1 game is far more complicated than the ‘flat out driving’ ‘conspiracy’ story you believe in. It is far from clear that the strategy of giving equal cars to both drivers maximises team points. First, the two cars are actually not equal: the team arrives with pieces that can fail and pieces that will not. One car has to be fitted with the riskier pieces, and that’s number two. In the case of RB, which takes huge risks to develop design, driver 2 will often have, e.g., KERS failures. As soon as the pieces are proven good, they go to driver one. And RB already showed their preferences when they replaced Vettel’s damaged wing with Webber’s good one. Second, team points are not necessarily maximised by having both drivers race for 1st. Often, when drivers fight too hard for the same position they end up both losing and giving the position to another team’s driver, e.g., Hamilton vs. Alonso (which prompted McClaren to favour Hamilton eventually), and each time Webber was getting too quick for Vettel. Watch a little more and learn. real LOTUS is the GREEN one @Bmendon: providing same material and same treatment to two fast drivers is the best way to loose titles, as proved by McLaren in 2007 or even by Red Bull in 2010 (wich risked loosing until the very last race). It is sad, but it is like this. There is no “conspiracy”. A team that has a fast car will always try to keep their drivers well “distant” between them in race. No need to give “inferior equipment” to one of them, it’s sufficient to give less support to him, and feelings and motivations will do the job. That’s the way Ferrari built the Schumacher “legend”, for example. lawl Revenge? after being beaten for more 3 years in a row? Sebastian is ROFLING about that, Webber might win in a car show, Sebastian will add another WDC trophy to his wall. Thats painful. As far as I know, Sebastian fights flat out, remember last race against Kimi? What happened to Webber 2x times fighting Hamilton? The guy got spooked TWICE!! Lewis actually made him go out of track without even trying to do it. Funniest sh1t ever. Remember him at Interlagos 2012? The guy is a coward and no one will miss him next year. Enjoy your power lap, weasel. Amol N your dad and you are both sore losers and just losers of the bigger order. God riddance to bad rubbish – now go embarass yourself else where Lol. I love the sheer amount of nutters typing as if they honestly think Webber will read it. Sometimes I think the yalla comment section disproves natural selection. fools Haha this was a fun read. Tamburello_1994 Second biggest crybaby in F1 history next to A. Prost. He’s lucky Red Bull offered those year to year contracts – It was clear from that Mark was really never part of the plan. I bet whomever Seb’s next teammate is – we won’t be hearing all this bellyaching about not being able to beat his teammate. He had it right all along about “not bad for a number two”. Exactly right. Some of the same people saying Webbo isn’t being allowed to win because of some conspiracy are some of the same folks wanting Kimi, or Fernando to go to Red Bull to “show up” Vettel. I don’t understand the logic in all that, But . . whatever. Mark Webber: WHO ARE YOU CRAP’N? real LOTUS is the GREEN one I follow F1 since 1980’s and i saw some of the best drivers of all time never winning a title, some of them never winning a single race! If some of you think that “champions” are only between title winners, well, you really know NOTHING about F1 and you are only some “sunday follower”. KevinW I’d like to see someone name one truly great driver who never won a single race. Please assume the freedom to go back in time as far as you wish. The translation for the word “Champion” is pretty simple – it means “A person who has defeated or surpassed all rivals in a competition.” How does one become a champion in any way without defeating and surpassing leading rivals. I am completely confused on this one. KC Classless to the bitter end, that’s Mark Webber. KC “I follow F1 since 1980?s and i saw some of the best drivers of all time never winning a title, some of them never winning a single race!” I would also like to know the names of these “best drivers of all time” who never won a single race. And when you’re done with that list, tell me how you know that they are “the best drivers of all time”. KC “And RB already showed their preferences when they replaced Vettel’s damaged wing with Webber’s good one.” Jesus, will people ever shut up about this nonsense? Ever single team in F1 does this sort of thing on a regular basis. As is always the case where Vettel is concerned, the perfectly normal gets treated as shocking and outrageous. To the (very minimal) extent that RB showed a preference for Vettel in that action, guess what? THEY WERE RIGHT. Vettel really IS the better driver, and by a large margin. KC “Do you know the type of questions JC asks?” Obviously Clarkson is too stupid or too gutless to ask Webber what should have been the obvious question – “What the hell were you doing trying to shaft your teammate in Brazil last year?” Junior Johnson Well well well Webbo seams like your up to some old tricks again.i don’t thinks this guy is to fast and I think that maybe I have a new conspriracy maybe jaremy put a better part on the iliana because he doesnt like vettle to.well lets jist see how rozburger does around that track.He will prolly beet them all hes reely fast. Tamburello_1994 Mark Webber: U just mad coz Vettel stylin on U. Junior Johnson Hi guys this is mark webber here well Im reely angery at some of the things you are saying about me.red bull gave seb the better car there is always something wrong with mine so how do you expect me to win with a hunk of junk.please just be nice To me you are hurting my fealings Junior Johnson Guys if you look closely in the picture you can see that the cars Are not even the same.If you look at Webbos car that is to say the one on the left or your left with the yellow hulmet you can see that the car is lower.if you look at the other car with the blue hulmet you can see that it is higher.this meens that more air can go under the car to the back difusers and gives more down force as well as less drag.a car like this will go about 0,24 to 1.08 seconds faster fer lap. Tamburello_1994 Good eye J.J. That totally explains everything, it does. Jack Spot on there Junior… Just hand in your resume to the FIA already will you! McLarenfan @Junior Johnson: Well spotted and spot on. I thought Mark was well restrained with Clarkson goading, and his time was done without asking for tyre pressure adjustments. Ukwhite Golden boy! Red Bull was in F1 for five years with Mark for three years and guess who brought the first Red Bull podium? Vettel, the wonder boy that also brought the first podium for Torro Rosso where he had come from. Sour are the grapes Mark… That remarque is planily idiotism. vnbrtzl Was Webber’s father talking to his daughter ? Hawk @JJ my favourite commenter! I was going to be really disappointed if you had not commented about the pic. what does your brother think about Webber? but now, you are embarassing me. first, the yellow helmet (Webber) is on the right of the picture but left of Vettel. second, what you said about ride height is the exact opposite. a high car has less downforce than a lower car because the lower the car the faster the air goes past underneath which creates downforce from the air above. the design of the rear diffuser just emphases that. but do not worry I guess you are below 20 and can still go back to your Physics/Mechanics class. What does your brother think anyway? Hawk and btw you cannot tell the difference in ride height between those two. you would be fooling yourselves; camera angle, zoom angle, the track is not flat, etc farizY I don’t get this conspiracy about team mates not having the same car. Logically speaking,as a team, you would definitely want both of your drivers to have the best possible car to have a crack at the constructor’s championship. The only difference I could think of is its fine tuning. Don’t get me wrong, Webber is a hell of a driver, but credit where it is due, Vettel beat him season after season, an on his way to take his fourth title, give the kid a break. real LOTUS is the GREEN one Most of the comments are there only for trolling: nobody said that Webber is better then Vettel. But if you think that in F1 always wins the best, well, you should follow another sport, i think… Cab If you are trusting the Top Gear Results, then Kimi will be the fastest. Kimi made “1:46.1″ on VERY WET conditions. They have given -6 seconds as time deductions. That means “1:40.1″ Lewis made 1:44.7 on “Wet & oily” conditions. Time deductions -4 seconds. That makes it “1:40.7″ Kimi Raikkonen – 1:40.1 Lewis Hamilton – 1:40.7 Jenson Button – 1:40.9 Mark Webber – 1:41.1 …… source: Cab source: If you are trusting the Top Gear Results, then Kimi will be the fastest. Kimi made “1:46.1″ on VERY WET conditions. They have given -6 seconds as time deductions. That means “1:40.1″ Lewis made 1:44.7 on “Wet & oily” conditions. Time deductions -4 seconds. That makes it “1:40.7″ Kimi Raikkonen – 1:40.1 Lewis Hamilton – 1:40.7 Jenson Button – 1:40.9 Mark Webber – 1:41.1 …… source: Tamburello_1994 I said it: Vettel is better than Webber. Period. Hawk @cab that data is old. which season? KC “his time was done without asking for tyre pressure adjustments” And you know that how, exactly? Y I’m so glad I’m not 15 anymore like all the Seb Bieber lovers here. Tamburello_1994 U just mad coz vettel stylin on u Cab @hawk You can see those timings from Wikipedia- Top Gear fastest laps by F1 drivers Junior Johnson Hi Hawk thank you for the kind words hillside and now you are my greatest frends here although I do have a lot of frends here and there are lots of good people here.i did ask my brother and he says that you are right.I must have just got a bit confuzed and got it the wrong way round. Alonso_is_slow Webber should have left the sport with more dignity, now everyone will remember him as the sour #2 who was never able to challenge his teammate (with a best place of #3 compared to Vettel’s 3-4 titles) real LOTUS is the GREEN one “never able to challenge his teammate”??? Did you forget he was leading the championship at the very last race of 2010 season? KC “I’m so glad I’m not 15 anymore like all the Seb Bieber lovers here’ Instead you’re 15 like all the Seb Vettel haters. In your mind that’s SO much different. KC Hamilton cut corners in his Top Gear lap. Tamburello_1994 ” . . . . . . . he was leading the championship at the very last race of 2010 season?” So? Besides, That was three years ago. F-1 is all about “what have you done for me lately”. Alonso_is_slow “never able to challenge his teammate”??? Did you forget he was leading the championship at the very last race of 2010 season?” that is the point, you just did not understand my comment. Even though he was sometimes able to challenge (not very often), with this kind of public comments he will be remembered as a bitterly dissapointed #2. real LOTUS is the GREEN one @Tamburello_1994: i was just replying to Alonso_is_slow statement @Alonso_is_slow: ok, understand, i agree with you about comments and consequences Anyway, it looks to me that in the ONLY season in wich Red Bull had no N.1, Mark challenged Seb at par. Then, after the turkish accident and after Red Bull almost loosing 2010 championship, the team EVIDENTLY changed its attitude. Vettel sux Vettel is a dirty spoilt little shit couldn’t even listen to his team and team orders and let mark win that Grand Prix is he that selfish and that much of a baby that he can’t handle a team mate having a win ? Just like a spoilt brat I can only imagine if mark did that to that little German but we know mark is a nice guy and never would to prove a point nearly every podi vettel has had this year no matter where nite world he gets booed so just shows how much he’s hated around the world , sure I agree he’s a great racer I don’t doubt that but he’s a sore loser!!! Hope riccardo destroys the little shit next year!!!