Domenicali: Why does Webber have so many failures on his car?

Mark Webber

Mark Webber handicapped at Red Bull?

Dec.27 (GMM) Red Bull also has a clear number one driver according to Ferrari team boss Stefano Domenicali has alleged, claiming that more often than not it is Mark Webber who suffers technical failures to his cars.

Mark Webber and Sebastian Vettel during the Indian Formula One Grand Prix at Buddh International Circuit on October 28, 2012 in Noida, India.The Italian team is open about its policy of hiring a clearly superior top driver – presently Fernando Alonso – alongside a capable ‘number two’ such as Felipe Massa, as they did during their record breaking Michael Schumacher era with Eddie Irvine and later Rubens Barrichello playing the secondary role.

In Austin last month, this policy was highlighted when Ferrari deliberately incurred a gearbox penalty on Brazilian Massa’s car in order to give Alonso a better grid position.

“If the others don’t like it, we don’t care,” Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo is quoted by Marca sports newspaper. “Others are critical but do the same, although less transparently.”

Team principal Domenicali picks up the theme, “Why does Webber have so many failures on his car? Because the best parts go to the driver getting the better results.”

Sebastian Vettel (GER) Red Bull Racing RB8 talks with Stefano Domenicali (ITA) Ferrari General Director. Formula One World Championship, Rd4, Bahrain Grand Prix Qualifying, Bahrain International Circuit, Sakhir, Bahrain, Saturday 21 April 2012.“And this is normal, and it seems so logical that we never say anything. We don’t like to speak of the others, but the others like to talk about us,” he added.

Meanwhile, Domenicali admitted that Ferrari is looking forward to 2013, even though Red Bull and McLaren had superior cars this year and the rules are not changing much.

Ferrari, though, thinks that the banning of DRS on Saturday is a “major change”, while Pirelli will supply softer tyres.

“This year it took us between two and five laps to heat the tyres,” said Domenicali.

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  • Not Bernie

    I feel sad for those who will actually believe this from Domenicali. It may be what Ferrari do, and Massa told us they do, but do you honestly believe that genuine racing teams deliberately disadvantage their own cars?

    If so, how do you explain Vettel’s breakdowns too?

    Or is the story really how Webber turned down Ferrari’s offer to replace Massa?

  • Alonso_is_slow

    1. Vettel had more breakdowns that Webber.

    2. Too late for mind games, title won by Vettel.

  • Domenicali and excuses

    Why you always blame your wind tunnel of your failures?
    why massa had a slower car for last two years?
    why you havent won any championship since 2007?
    why you make so many excuses?
    why you talks a lot but bring no or little updates?

  • Lol.

    @Alonso_is_Slow

    He didn’t say breakdowns, he said failures.

    In other words, failures that still allow Webber to finish the race but make his car slower than Sebastians.

    Dare I say it… KERS ISSUES?!
    Or what about his start line issues where on 2 occasions when he started infront of Vettel, he was told over the radio to switch balance due to an issue and both times lost places to Vettel?

    Yeah. They don’t want him to break down, they want him to lose to Seb. They know he won’t move over so they sabotage his car.

    Have fun, troll. Vettel is spoon-fed just as much as Alonso is.

  • weasel

    It is obvious that Vettel is the clear nr.1 driver in Red Bull and Webber is just a test mule. Everyone knows that! Red Bull are such hypocrites, they talk sh*t about Ferrari but they are the biggest cheaters of all. There is no doubt that in Red Bull there is only one driver and that’s Vettel, who gets all the best parts and all the advantage.

  • fools

    lol more PR/mind games from Redbull and Ferrari. Its not even 2013 yet…But who cares? Let the pre-season begin…

  • Not Bernie

    @weasel,
    I don’t think Webber would put up with being a No. 2 driver. Hence why he turned down a drive with Ferrari (and probably more money!). Fairly sure that if Red Bull had Webber in the lead in the last few races of a championship they’d put their weight towards his side of the garage.

    @fools,
    The mind games that Ferrari should be playing is how to improve the car. Let the talking be on the track not during the off-season!

  • fools

    @Notbernie

    You meant to say RedBull with there horrific reliability issues on BOTH of there cars.

    Something Ferrari doesn’t have to worry about.
    :) Happy New Year

  • Speedo

    Domenicali – It is none of your business. You comment on your team and not other teams. In your team Alonso is clearly the number one while Massa has to play second fiddle. Transparency is a joke among the teams. The rules are being bent. Ferrari had no choice but to change Massa’s gear box to give Alonso and advantage the same as Vettel starting from the pit lane instead of P24 (penalty) in order to take advantage of changing the set up and choice of tyres. Lewis started from P24 for the identical penalty and not the pit lane. Are these two incidents sportsmanship or what?

  • Not Bernie

    @speedo,
    “as Vettel starting from the pit lane instead of P24 (penalty) in order to take advantage of changing the set up and choice of tyres”

    Starting from the pit lane is seen as a bigger disadvantage than from the back of the grid as you’ve got to sit stationary watching the entire grid blast past at full speed. However, it’s also not that unusual for cars to start from the pit lane, mostly those who’d be at the back anyway. They’ve typically qualified so low anyway that they feel changing the set-up would be an advantage. Therefore take the car out of Parc fermé.

    What was so wrong about what Ferrari did was they decided that they didn’t like how Qualifying played out for their No 1 driver so took the only option available to them and deliberately sought to have Massa penalised. The rules are there to allow for mechanical failures to ensure that the driver can still participate, not to prevent a spoilt child having a tantrum.

    It’s for unsporting decisions like this and stopping Massa from winning a race on the anniversary of his accident why Ferrari support is dwindling. I know people who were Ferrari fans and now aren’t because of such actions, and therefore aren’t buying Ferrari merchandise as they used to. Having Alonso in Ferrari is costing Ferrari more than just their bottom line; their reputation is withering away too.

  • Speedo

    @ Not Bernie – I agree with you with regard to Massa getting the step-fatherly treatment. Massa is a fantastic driver. I think it is the same at Red Bull where Webber is concerned.

    Is Alonso to blame for the decisions taken by team boss Domenicali who wants to win at what ever the cost. His comments remind me of the pot calling the kettle black.

    Regarding Vettel, my question is why he did not start on the grid P24 just as Lewis did. It was a penalty which is a punishment, but in this case the rules were bent to take advantage to change the set-up for the race. I think the FIA should change the rules to stipulate that if you are penalised you abide by it and no bending of the rules to take advantage. The FIA should also cover the rules governing the gearbox change which was not fair by the other drivers – the dirty side and the clean side of the track. Can’t wait for March 2013.

    Wish You a Happy New Year

  • fools

    @Speedo, I agree with what you say, however I believe this happen because last week C. Horner talked about Ferrari. So it all PR. Obviously is works! lol

  • fools

    @Not Bernie

    “Having Alonso in Ferrari is costing Ferrari more than just their bottom line; their reputation is withering away too.”
    —————————————————————————
    Always trying to bring the hate out aren’t you? smh.

    That statement is false because if anything more FANS have come to Ferrari to support just Alonso himself! So clearly your hate comments against Alonso yet again is false.

    That is coming from me and all the F1 fans I speak to daily.

  • Alonso_is_slow

    @fool
    the F1 fans you speak to daily is your father watching F1 with you as you havent bought your own TV yet and some Alonso-loving teenager girls from the next corner. You probably have big theoretic discussions about the optimal lunch size of F1 drivers and which track has the best panorama.

  • fools

    @Alonso_is_slow

    the F1 fans you speak to daily is your father watching F1 with you as you havent bought your own TV yet and some Alonso-loving teenager girls from the next corner. You probably have big theoretic discussions about the optimal lunch size of F1 drivers and which track has the best panorama.
    ———————————————————————————
    You dont even make any sense you scum.

    Why mention my father? He doesn’t watch F1. Slap yourself. He is in heaven with the LORD.

    Your comments goes to show how far you go to insult people when you have no F1 logic at all/nor the ability to defend your statements, yet you pull the “father card” insults… like he has anything to do with YOU or F1.

    Slap yourself and take your shit out of here. You cant even hold an argument or reply back to a argument or anything factual. You lack F1 knowledge.

    Never comment to me again or at me ever! You have no logic and are a disgrace to YallaF1 and its fans.

  • fools

    Editor…please ban: Alonso_is_slow

    Thank you and Happy New Year.
    :)

  • Not Bernie

    Editor…please ban: fools.

    He really is quite a naughty little boy. Probably still wondering why Santa never brought him anything.

  • Erich Lacher

    What I have red in newspapers, Mr. Domenicali should work In Ferrari team.

    Please concentrate to solve Your own backyard.

    Of cource, If extra time, other teams could ask advise.
    But only, if they are asking or need advise.

    Happy New Year 2013

  • conservancy@MHR

    … things are so bad at Ferrari, they have a team principal who’s more concerned with Mark Webber than he is, Felipe Massa. If Stephano Domenicali were half as concerned about Felipe, than he was, Mark Webber, Ferrari would have otherwise nailed down the 2012 constructor’s championship — asj.

  • F1 Neutral

    With a name like Alonso_is_slow, what does anyone expect?

    Complete biased fool

  • alanf1

    With such statements Domenicali makes himself a fool. Lately nouns as “ferraries”, “domenicalis” and the likes, tend to become more common nouns for “machinations” and “infantilities”. It is so bad since I used to love Ferrari in Schumacher era.

  • Not Bernie

    @alanF1,
    “It is so bad since I used to love Ferrari in Schumacher era.”

    Those were some of the best of the recent years in F1. Top driver at his best, rebuilding a historic team. And eventually winning in with that team.

    There’s still a lot of talent in the engineering of the cars; you can see that they were fastest mid season. First of the top teams to get the best out the tyres too. But the way it’s being run not only by the sporting management but also their No. 1 driver is tarnishing their reputation. It’s not beyond saving yet, but the rot needs to be cut out.

  • Alonso_is_slow

    @F1 Neutral
    I am not biased at all. I only want to see others what Alonso really is – a low-key cheater with average driving skills but lots of self-marketing, and an unjustified salary.

    Otherwise, 99% of people here are fans of certain drivers. What is wrong with that? That makes them come here. Your trying to position this forum as some kind of expert exchange is quite ridiculous.

    One could not be more of a fool than what you have just made yourself.

  • Anthony

    It’s quite sad that the great Ferrari is reduced to such petty whining. How unbecoming.

  • john

    About time someone has come out and said the truth about the treatment of Webber by Redbull. Webber was competeing for the title then suddenly had the rub pulled out from underhim, two gearbox failures in 3 races, DRS failures, KERS failure very very poor strategyies and pitstops compared to vettel

    RBR=Vettel lovers

  • Not Bernie

    @john,
    It was terrible that Webber did have failures, but you can’t say that Red Bull deliberatly gave him a car that would fail. Nor that Vettel has perfect reliability either.

    @Anthony,
    Yes, it’s really terrible that Ferrari have become so unsporting. They need to change the people at the top. Drivers, PR, team manager, even CEO (Monty). They’re living off their past, and that won’t last.

  • fools

    @ Not Bernie

    They don’t ban me because I am highly respected commenter and have actual knowledge in F1 and I don’t dismiss and hate on drivers unlike YOURSELF/Newb.

    They keep you because you bring more traffic to this site :)

  • fools

    @Alonso_is_slow

    the F1 fans you speak to daily is your father watching F1 with you as you havent bought your own TV yet and some Alonso-loving teenager girls from the next corner. You probably have big theoretic discussions about the optimal lunch size of F1 drivers and which track has the best panorama.
    ———————————————————————————
    You dont even make any sense you scum.

    Why mention my father? He doesn’t watch F1. Slap yourself. He is in heaven with the LORD.

    Your comments goes to show how far you go to insult people when you have no F1 logic at all/nor the ability to defend your statements, yet you pull the “father card” insults… like he has anything to do with YOU or F1.

    Slap yourself and take your shit out of here. You cant even hold an argument or reply back to a argument or anything factual. You lack F1 knowledge.

    Never comment to me again or at me ever! You have no logic and are a disgrace to YallaF1 and its fans.

  • Alonso_is_slow

    @fool
    instead of a respected commenter you are a fully ignorant and and unrespected Alonso-whiner, who does not know the difference between motor sports and sport motors, let alone countries and continents. You only speak one language, and had several failed math exams.

    All you do here is whine for Alonso and put some random blabla around it. You could be well replaced with a 3 line Java function, which produces the same comments without reading the articles.

    On top of this you think yourself as an experts, which adds to drama of your personal quality.

  • alanf1

    @Alonso_is_slow You must like Alonso indeed, don’t ask where I know from :) My guess is you may not address his speed, but his smart twitters about he being considered samurai, warrior, blah, blah, blah, or other bullflops finding excuses to his team for favouring him for beeing slower than Massa in the last races… Pathetic! But most funny-annoyng slow kind of things are his podium discourses. He should take some language, PR, and the likes courses. Another most funny thing ever was when he showed his fists to Petrov in 2010 in Abu-Dhabi, in front of Spain’ King, for not letting him to pass. He wants his way cleared to the title, the least sporty guy in F1

  • alanf1

    Webber? In the best case, just an average driver! Facts, his career’s results talk sense. From 2002 to 2012 his results were: 16, 10, 13, 10, 14, 12 – joined Red Bull, 11, 4, 3, 3, 6). In comparison Vettel’s results between 2007-2012 were: 14, 8, 2, 1, 1, 1. The only year when Webber was higher in standings was 2007 when for Red Bull he was 12 in standings with 10 points, from 17 (!!!) races, versus Vettel that joined BMW in the middle of championship getting position 14 with 8 points from 8 (!!!) races only. In the same 2007 Torro Rosso without Vettel was on 7 (8 points), Red Bull on 5 (24 points). In 2008 Vettel joins Torro Rosso and because of his contribution outclassed in standings Mark’s Red Bull – Toro Rosso position 6 (39 points), Red Bull position 7 (29 points). Now, to this modest performance add his unruly character and I invite you guys to give a second thought if one of you were a F1 car owner or a racer, would like to get and keep Webber in the team. Love or hate folks, Helmut Marko may talk too openly his mind, but he is absolutely right disliking Webber.